Patrick Manning/Garth Fagan -- 24 February 2006

>> ROCHESTER'S NEWS MAGAZINE
SINCE 1997, THIS IS "NEED TO
KNOW."
>> THANKS FOR JOINING US.
I'M MICHAEL CAPUTO.
HOW DOES A REPUBLICAN WIN THE
GOVERNOR'S MANSION IN A STATE
WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE IN THE
MAJORITY?
ONE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT SAYS THE
REPUBLICAN MUST BE MODERATE TO
HAVE A CROSSOVER APPEAL.
ANOTHER SCHOOL OF THOUGHT COMES
FROM PEOPLE LIKE PATRICK
MANNING, AN ASSEMBLYMAN FROM THE
HUDSON VALLEY AND A CANDIDATE
FOR GOVERNOR.
IS'S ALSO THE FIRST IN A SERIES
 OF NEED TO KNOW INTERVIEWS WHO 2
WANT TO REPLACE GOVERNOR PATAKI.
MANY SAY THAT REPUBLICANS NEED
TO REMEMBER THEIR BASE, AND
MANNING BELIEVES THAT
REPUBLICANS MUST BE SEEN AS
REFORMERS.
MANNING IS TRYING TO CONVINCE
CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS
THAT HIS OPPONENTS, KEVIN
INDOVINO, WILLIAM WELD AND JOHN
FASO CAN'T DO BOTH JOBS.
HE BELIEVES HE CAN.
HE IS RUNNING HARD FOR THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY ENDORSEMENT
AND PLANS TO CAMPAIGN ON THE
CONSERVATIVE LINE EVEN IF HE
DOESN'T GET THE REPUBLICAN NOD N
AN INTERVIEW CONDUCTED EARLIER
WITH ASSEMBLY MANNING, WE BEGAN
BY ASKING HIM IF THE ELECTION
WILL BE HANDED TO THE DEMOCRATS
IF THE REPUBLICAN AND
CONSERVATIVE PARTIES PUT UP
DIFFERENT CANDIDATES.

>> I CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE
SOMEONE ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE
BE 80% OF ELIOT SPITZER, BE
DEMOCRAT-LIKE, BECAUSE WE HAVE
SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PUTS UP
SOMEBODY THAT IS 80% THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR IF THEY
RECEIVE A CONSULTANT'S ADVICE
THAT MAYBE IF WE TALK THE SAME
TALK, IF WE PIRATE THE SAME
IDEAS AS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
WE IN NEW YORK STATE CAN GET
OVER THE TOP T HAS PROVE TON BE
A LOSER TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
I HAVE TOLD MY PARTY THAT I
THINK IF I RECEIVE THE
CONSERVATIVE LINE, AND MOSTLY
CONSERVATIVE VOTE LATER IN THIS
BROADCAST BE COMING OUT AND I
WILL BE THAT CANDIDATE.

>> WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
WHEN YOU SAY 80% DEMOCRATS?
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>> OH, WELL, IN MANY CASES, THAT
HAS BEEN THE POLICY OF THE
LEGISLATIVE LEADERS, AS WELL AS
THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE.
GOVERNOR PATAKI CAME IN AS A
CONSERVATIVE: I BELIEVE IN HIS
HEART HE IS A CONSERVATIVE, BUT
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO TELL
REPUBLICANS THAT IF YOU TAX AND
SPEND AND YOU PROMISE, THAT
SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE
NOT GOING TO SEE THAT YOU ARE
REALLY JUST THE SAME AS THE
DEMOCRATS.
I THINK IN A POST-PATAKI EAR
REMARKS WE DON'T NEED MORE OF
THAT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO
STAY WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT
CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD
GET MORE OF THAT.

>> ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED WITH THE
PATAKI ERA.T YOU PUT VIDEO ON
YOUR SITE AND YOU TALK ABOUT
SUMMARY GROWTH IN SPENDING OVER
THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THAT HAS BEEN UNDER GEORGE
PATAKI.
ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED?

>> IT WAS UNDER GEORGE PATAKI
AND THE LEGISLATURE.
COLLECTIVELY I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I RALLY AGAINST THE
DISAPPOINTMENT THAT THE TWO
PARTIES IS ONE TAXES AND SPENDS
AND THE OTHER ONE BORROWS AND
SPENDS T IS THE BOTTOM LINE THAT
NO MATTER HOW PEOPLE WANT TO
MAKE PROMISES WITH MONEY WE
DON'T HAVE, WE ARE JUST
MORTGAGING OUR CHILDREN'S
FUTURE.

>> HOW WOW DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE
GOVERNOR DURING THOSE YEARS?
WOULD YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A
SHOWDOWN, IN ESSENCE?

>> NOT NECESSARILY A SHOWDOWN, 4
ALA THE 1990'S AND SHUTTING DOWN
GOVERNMENT, I DON'T THINK WE
NEEDED TO DO THAT, BUT WHAT MOST
OF THE RANK AND FILE LEGISLATORS
ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, MY
COLLEAGUES WANTED WAS A LEADER
TO STAND UP, AND SAY TWO THINGS.
ONE, IF YOU DO THE RIGHT THING
FOR THE BETTERMENT OF NEW YORK
STATE, ESPECIALLY UPSTATE NEW
YORK, I WILL STAND BY YOU, BUT
IF YOU DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING,
AND YOU FOLLOW YOUR LEGISLATIVE
LEADERS WHO MIGHT BE BEHOLDING
SPECIAL INTERESTS, I'LL SMOKE
YOU OUT COME ELECTION TIME.
MOST OF THE RANK AND FILE
LEGISLATORS WOULD HAVE WALKED
THROUGH THE FIRE FOR GOVERNOR
PATAKI IF HE DID THAT.
HE CHOSE ANOTHER FORM OF
GOVERNING.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT OR
WRONG.
THAT'S NOT MY FORM OF GOVERNING.
I THINK VERY STRONGLY SOMEONE
NEEDED TO STEP UP AND SAY WE
NEED TO DO SOME THINGS THAT ARE
NOT QUICK FIXES FOR THE NEXT
ELECTION, BUT LONG-TERM
STRATEGIES THAT BRING C.E.O.'S
AND JOBS INTO THIS STATE.

>> I WANT TO EXPAND ON WHAT YOU
JUST SAID ABOUT THE DIFFERENT
STYLES OF GOVERNING.
EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE
PATH THAT THE CURRENT GOVERNOR
CHOSE FROM YOUR PATH.

>> GOVERNMENT IS THE ART OF
COMPROMISE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN'T JUST RAM YOUR OWN
POLITICS THROUGH, BUT SOME
PEOPLE DO IT BEHIND THE SCENES
IN A VERY QUIET WAY.
IT WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY,
GOVERNOR PATAKI, AND SOME PEOPLE
 USE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THE 5
EXECUTIVE BRANCH AS A BULLY
PULPIT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD
USE IN A MANNING ADMINISTRATION.
WE NEED SOMEONE THAT IS 50%
INNOVATOR, AND 50% ECONOMIC
DEVELOPER, 50% CHEERLEADER, AND
THAT'S WHERE THE GOVERNOR NEEDS
TO BE RIGHT NOW, IS A
CHEERLEADER TO MAKE SURE THE
GRASSROOTS, THE AVERAGE NEW
YORKER KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON IN
ALBANY.
I'LL TELL YOU, MOST OF THE
PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF ALBANY KNOW
WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE T IS THOSE
IN ALBANY WHO THINK IF THEY KEEP
QUIET AND DON'T TELL THE
GRASSROOTS WHAT'S GOING ON
THROUGHOUT THIS STATE, THEY WILL
JUST BE HAPPY PAYING THE HIGHEST
PROPERTY TAXES AND THE HIGHEST
SALES TAXES AND WATCH DEBT
CONTINUE TO LOOM, AND BE OKAY
WITH IT.

>> A BULLY PULPIT, THOUGH, AND I
CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE,
IS YOU WOULD PROBABLY GO TO THE
PUBLIC AT SOME POINT AND EXPLAIN
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT A BULLY
PULPIT INEVITABLY MEANS A
SHOWDOWN.
YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING THAT THE
OTHER SIDE, THE LEGISLATURE
DOESN'T AGREE WITH.
ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT?

>> WE HAVE A BRIEF SHINING
MOMENT IN TIME RIGHT NOW FOR US
IN A POST-PATAKI ERA, WHERE
THERE IS AN OPEN SEAT, TO PICK
SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO
TAKE A STAND TO DEAL WITH THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE OF
OVERTAXATION, OVERSPENDING,
SPENDING BEYOND OUR MEANS, AND
JUST CONTINUING TO PILE UP THE
DEBT, THE STATE DEBT BY
 AUTHORITIES AS WELL AS THE 6
GENERAL DEBT, SO BECAUSE I KNOW
WE HAVE UPWARDS, AS WE FOUND
OUT, UPWARDS OF $16 BILLION IN
MEDICAID FRAUD, PEOPLE STEALING
FROM THE SYSTEM EACH YEAR, WE
HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO
DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS AND
PROVIDE AN ECONOMIC BASE FOR
UPSTATE NEW YORK TO GROW AGAIN.
IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE
STATUS QUO DOESN'T WANT TO
CHANGE THINGS, THAT I WOULD SIT
QUIETLY, NO.
I WOULD GET UP, VALUE MY 6 FOOT
11 FRAME AND A GOOD SET OF LUNGS
AND WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE
PEOPLE TO SEE WHO IS RIGHT.
>> I'M GOING TO PUT UP 5 AND 3.
THAT'S THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE.
HOW DOES ANYBODY WHO TALKS LIKE
A TRUE REAGAN GOLDWATER
CONSERVATIVE WIN IN THE STATE
WHERE DEMOCRATS OUTNUMBER
REPUBLICANS.
DON'T YOU HAVE TO APPEAL TOLL A
MIDDLE -- TO A LESS MIDDLE
VOTER?

>> NO, YOU HAVE TO APPEAL TO
PEOPLE'S PASSIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, 5-3 DEMOCRAT OVER
REPUBLICANS.
MOST OF THOSE ARE MOTOR VOTERS.
THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T COME
OUT.
THEY HAVE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS.

THEY DON'T COME OUT FOR THE
ELECTIONS.
YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SMALLER
POOL OF VOTERS.
NOW, THE PROBLEM WITH THE
REPUBLICAN^ PARTY IS FOR YEARS
NOW, WELL OVER A DECADE, WE HAVE
NOT APPEALED TO OUR BASE.
OUR BASE, WHOSE MY RECORD IS
APPEALING TO THEM.
THE SPORTS MEN AND WOMEN OF THE
 STATE, ONE MILLION PLUS STRONG 7
IN REGISTERED SPORTSMEN.
THE TAXPAYERS ADVOCATES WHO ARE
SICK AND TIRED OF WHAT HAS TAKEN
PLACE HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW
YORK, TO THOSE AND SOME WHAT I
WOULD CALL THE LEAVE US ALONE
COALITION, GOOD HARD-WORKING
PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE
THEIR LIVES AND DO THEIR JOB,
PAY THEIR TAXES AND BE LEFT THE
HECK ALONE.
THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT GET OUT OF
THEIR LAZY-BOYS FOR THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY ANYMORE.
THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS, SOME OF
THEM ARE CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS
BUZZ THEY WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN
IF, ONE, THEY FEEL THEY HAVE A
CANDIDATE WHO IS NOT -- WHO
PROVIDES A CHOICE, AND NOT 80% A
DEMOCRAT, BUT TWO, WHO ACTUALLY
GOES AND ASKS FOR THEIR VOTE.
REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES DO
NOT COME UPSTATE ANYMORE AND ASK
FOR VOTES.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE SUCCESS
OF PEOPLE LIKE CHUCK SCHUMER
BECAUSE HE COMES UP AND ASKS FOR
A VOTE.
I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
REPUBLICANS NEED TO GO DOOR TO
DOOR AGAIN.
>> STEVE IS FROM THESE PARTS AND
HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE A
PRIMARY.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT YOU
SAID YOU WOULD NOT RUN A
PRIMARY.
IS THAT TRUE?

>> ACTUALLY, WHAT I HAD SAID TO
THE SCREENING COMMITTEES THAT
HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND THE
STATE, I SAID I BELIEVE THAT IF
THIS IS A FAIR AND HONEST FIGHT
BETWEEN CANDIDATES, AND WE HAVE
ALL THE COUNTIES TAKE A LOOK AT
WHERE WE ARE AND WHO WE ARE AS
CANDIDATES, I BELIEVE I WILL BE
 VICTORIOUS IN THE SPRING, AND 8
THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE A
PRIMARY.
I'M NOT FOR PRIMARIES.
YOU KNOW, MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME
RIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE
PLAYED AS A FOOL.
I TOLD THAT DIRECTLY TO THE VICE
CHAIRMAN AND TO STEVEN HIMSELF
WHO SAID HE WOULD KEEP AN OPEN
MIND.
DAYS, IF NOT WEEKS LATER, HE WAS
A FOR BILL WELD.
HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE FOR BILL
WELD.
AS A STATE CHAIRMAN, HE SHOULD
HAVE NEVER STEPPED UP.
I BELIEVE DEEP DOWN INSIDE HE
SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID IT, JUST
LIKE WHEN HE STOOD UP FOR JANINE
PIR ROW FOR STATE SENATE.
>> HOW DO YOU THINK THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DOING THESE
DAYS UNDER STEVE?

>> I THINK THEY ARE DOING GOOD.
STEVE MANARIC, I THINK, IS
DOING^ A HECK OF A JOB, AS
RUNNING ANY PARTY, DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICANS, YOU SPEND MOST OF
YOUR TIME PUTTING OUT FIRES, SO
I'M GOING TO GIVE THE MAN HIS
DUE.
I THINK HE IS TRYING TO UNIFY
THE PARTY.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, WE NEVER
HAD THE SCREEN COMMITTEES I'M
TALKING ABOUT WHERE GROUPS OF
SIX OR SEVEN OR TEN COUNTY
LEADERS CAME DOWN AND LISTENED
TO ALL THE CANDIDATES.
THAT WAS UNHEARD OF.
IT USED TO BE A PHONE CALL TO A
COUNTY LEADER.
THIS IS WHO WE'RE GOING WITH.
STEP IN LINE.
HE OPENED THE DOOR THAT WAY.
NOW, I WILL GIVE HIM SOMETHING
THERE, BUT THE IDEA THAT WE NEED
TO IMPORT A MASSACHUSETTS
 LIBERAL BECAUSE HE HAS PERSONAL 9
WEALTH, WHICH HE HAS NOW
EXPLAINED THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO
USE, IS NOT WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THAT WE
SHOULD GO WITH BILL WELD BECAUSE
HE HAS THE MONEY.
WE SHOULD GO WITH DONALD TRUMP
BECAUSE HE HAS MONEY.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS PARIS HILTON
HAS MONEY.
MAYBE SHE'D BE INTERESTED IN
RUNNING.
THE POINT IS YOU DON'T HAVE A
MESSAGE AND MESSENGER TO DELIVER
THAT MESSAGE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH
MONEY YOU HAVE AS A REPUBLICAN
ARE GOING TO LOSE IN THE STATE
OF NEW YORK, AND THAT INCLUDES
LOSING THE STATE SENATE^ WHICH,
I DARE SAY, WOULD BE A DISASTER.

>> I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION,
AND THE LOCAL ROCHESTER BUSINESS
ALLIANCE PRESIDENT, SANDRA
PARKER, HAS SAID IN ROCHESTER'S
ECONOMY, IT IS NOT DOING WELL.
WE'RE IN TROUBLE.
SHE HAS SOMETHING CALLED A
SHACKLE UP STATE.
PART OF THIS SAYS WE NEED
REFORMS ON WORKER'S COMP,
SCAFFOLD LAWS, BUT IF WE DON'T
GET IT FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, WE
WANT UPSTATE TO BE EXEMPT.

>> RIGHT.

>> WOULD YOU BACK BILLS TO
EXEMPT UPSTATE FROM THESE LAWS?

>> YES, I WOULD, BECAUSE UPSTATE
IS DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF
THE STATE.
UPSTATE IS BEHIND THE CURVE FROM
THE REST OF THE STATE, AND
UPSTATE FEELS WHEN WE HAVE A
DOWNTURN, UPSTATE FEELS IT MORE.

>> IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK
 ROCHESTER, BUFFALO, UTICA, 10
SOMEWHAT SYRACUSE, BUT IF WE'RE
GOING TO BRING BACK THESE
MAJESTIC CITY, WE'RE GOING TO
BRING THEM BACK WITH A PACKAGE
THAT C.E.O.'S AROUND THE
COUNTRY, LET ALONE AROUND THE
WORLD SEE THAT NEW YORK STATE
MEANS BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO
CHANGING THE ECONOMIC WOES OF
UPSTATE NEW YORK.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ME COME
UP HERE WITH A BIG SMILEY FACE
ON AND SAY WE'VE TURNED THE
CORNER.
WE HAVEN'T TURNED THE CORNER,
AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UPSTATE
WHAT THEY DESERVE.
NOW, THAT COULD BE PROASHT TAX
REFORM, MOVED FROM THAT ONEROUS
TAX SYSTEM SO THEY GIVE PEOPLE
ABILITY TO PAY.

>> INCOME TAX?

>> ABSOLUTELY, DEAL WITH OUR
INCOME TAX.
THERE ARE 47 OTHER STATES
BETWEEN TWO OCEANS THAT DO A
BETTER JOB THAN NEW YORK DOES IN
TAXES.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR
MANUFACTURING JOBS.
THE IN THE STATE HERE IN NEW
YORK UNLESS^ WE HAVE A PROGRAM,
THAT BRIEF SHINING MOMENT, WE
HAVE AN OPEN SEA, WE HAVE A
CHANCE TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM AND
WE ALSO KNOW THAT BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS ARE BEING STOLEN RIGHT
NOW FROM THE STATE COFFERS THAT
WE CAN GET BACK AND BRING THEM
BACK^ IN TO UPSTATE VIA THE
UPSTATE ECONOMY.
TRANSPORTATION AND ENERGY COSTS,
WORKER'S COMP, THREE BAD BOYS
HERE, THE AK SIS OF EVIL, IF YOU
WILL, LET'S TAKE THEM ON AND
DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION, BUT
DON'T PAT UPSTATE ON THE HEAD
 AND SAY DON'T WORRY, WE'RE HERE 11
FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE IN A GOOD EDUCATIONAL
SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AND
PEOPLE WILL SEE THROUGH THAT.

>> ASSEMBLYMAN PATRICK MANNING,
IN AN INTERVIEW RECORDED EARLIER
ON "NEED TO KNOW" AND SINCE THEN
THERE ARE R. HAVE BEEN NEW
STORIES ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE,
MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE
BREAKUP OF HIS MARRIAGE.
HE ACCUSED ANOTHER CANDIDATE,
JOHN FASO, OF LEAKING THE
INFORMATION, SOMETHING FASO HAS
DENIED.
JOHN FASO WILL BE OUR INTERVIEW
SUBJECT NEXT WEEK.
YOU CAN HEAR FROM MANNING HOW
BORN SHON WILL PLAY IN THE STATE
AND LISTEN IN TO OUR POLITICAL
NOTEBOOK ON THE AUDIO PODCAST
FILE.
THE ADDRESS IS POLITICAL
NOTEBOOK.ORG.
WE ALSO WANT YOUR OPINION ON
THIS DISCUSSION.
YOU HAVE TWO WAYS TO GIVE US
THAT FEEDBACK.
E-MAIL US AT NEED TO KNOW AT
WXXI.ORG OR CALL OUR RESPONSE
LINE.
THE NUMBER, 258-0250.

>> IT WAS 1970 WHEN JEST
JAMAICAN-BORN GARTH FAGAN MOVED
TO THE ROCHESTER AREA AND
STARTED GARTH FAGAN DANCE HIS
CHOREOGRAPHY COMBINES BALLET AND
MODERN AND HE GAINED WORLDWIDE
ATTENTION.
HIS STATURE REACHED A NEW HEIGHT
IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE
CHOREOGRAPHY OF THE LION KING.
HIS CHOREOGRAPHY IS TIED TO THIS
AREA.
KEVIN INDOVINO SAT DOWN WITH
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WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PORTION
OF THAT TALK^ AND PICK UP THE
CONVERSATION AS FAGAN TELLS
INDOVINO ABOUT THE CHALLENGES
FACING GARTH FAGAN DANCE.
>> OUR BUDGET IS NOT AS LARGE AS
IT SHOULD BE.
WE NEED MORE FOR ADVERTISING
BUDGETS TO KEEP OUR PRESENCE
BEFORE THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE ONCE
WE HAVE SHOWS, THEN WE HAVE
ADVERTISE THOSE^, BUT WE DO A
LOT OF DANCING DEMONSTRATIONS IN
THE STUDIO.
WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH
CHILDREN.
WE HAVE CLASSES ALL WEEK THAT WE
CANNOT AFFORD TO ADVERTISE AS
MUCH AS WE SHOULD, AND WE STILL
DON'T HAVE A HOME.
WE HAVE A PLACE THAT WE RENT AND
MR. LANG HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO
US, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE
WHERE YOU SEE A SIGN GARTH FAGAN
DANCE THE WAY YOU SEE ROCHESTER
HARMONICS, SO WE ARE WORKING ON
THAT, AND THAT WILL KEEP US^
MORE IN THE COMMUNITY'S EYE IF
WE HAD THAT GOING, BUT ONE OF
THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE IS
WORD OF MOUTH, IS THAT PEOPLE
COME TO THE PERFORMANCES, AND
THEN THEY LITERALLY CALL UP AND
SAY, MAN, YOU SHOULD SEE THIS,
BLAH BLAH BLAH, I WILL BUY YOU A
TICKET, BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK,
AND THAT WORD OF MOUTH, YOU
KNOW, IS WORTH ALL KINDS OF
ADVERTISING DOLLARS, BUT I WISH
WE HAD SOME MORE ADVERTISING.

>> BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE
TRAVEL OVERSEAS AND WHATEVER,
BEFORE WE GET THERE, WE'RE SOLD
OUT.
WE'RE SOLD OUT FOR WEEKS IN
FRANCE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.

>> DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TAKEN FOR
 GRANTED? 13

>> I THINK SO, AND YEAH, YEAH,
IN FUNDING, WE DON'T GET THE
FUNDING WE SHOULD AND ARTS FUND
SOMETHING DOWN, AS YOU KNOW,
ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST US,
BUT YES, THE POWERS THAT BE
COULD SEE US MORE OF A CULTURAL
ATTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND
EXECUTIVES THAT COME HERE FROM
THE CORPORATIONS, THEY AND THEIR
FAMILY CAN COME AND ENJOYOUS AND
LEARN LEARN AND NOT JUST WHAT I
SAY, BUT THE BEST CRITICS IN THE
WORLD SAY IS CUTTING EDGE.
IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE KEEPING
DANCERS IN ROCHESTER, BECAUSE
BEING A DANCER, AFTER THEY
PURSUE IT HERE, THEY WANT TO GO
TO THE BIGGEST DANCE PARTY CLUBS
TO SHOW OFF, YOU KNOW, & WE
DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT HERE,
COMPARED TO, SAY, MANHATTAN, AND
MANHATTAN, IF A DANCER GETS ILL
OR INJURED, YOU JUST PICK UP THE
PHONE AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW,
200 OTHER DANCERS TO CALL AND
COME IN.
HERE, WE HAVE THE DANCERS WHO
CAME HERE TO WORK WITH ME, AND
MAYBE SOME BRIGHT STUDENTS, YOU
KNOW, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT, SO
THAT IS A CHALLENGE, AND FOR US
TO HAVE THE WORLD RECOGNITION
THAT WE HAVE AND REVIEWS THAT WE
HAVE FROM AROUND THE WORLD,
WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS
VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT WE
ARE ARTISTIC^ IN ROCHESTER THAT
COMPETES WITH THE WORLD.
WHEN WE ARRIVE IN PARIS OR
LONDON OR BRAZIL, PEOPLE KNOW
THEY'RE FROM ROCHESTER, AND
PEOPLE LOVE US.
WE GET STANDING OVATIONS IN
AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, WHEREVER
WE GO, AND IT IS A QUALITY
PRODUCT THAT'S COMING FROM
ROCHESTER, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF
 THAT, BECAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER 14
ARTS HERE STAY IN TOWN, AND WE
NEED THAT, TOO, BUT WE PERFORM
HERE AND WE TRAVEL AROUND THE
WORLD TO THE FINEST FESTIVALS
AND THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS
PERFORMANCES IN THE WORLD.
WE HAVE DONE IT.
WE'RE A PART OF IT, BUT THAT
MEANS THAT THIS COMPANY THAT IS
NOT FROM MANHATTAN, THAT IS NOT
FROM SAN FRANCISCO, THAT'S NOT
FROM A BIG CITY, CHICAGO, IS
RIGHTS UP HERE WITH THE BIG TIME
SELLERS AND I'M VERY PROUD OF
THAT.

ALL ARTS AND EDUCATION ARE
HAVING THAT WE HAVE LOST HERE IN
RECENT YEARS WHERE, WHEN I WAS A
CHILD, HUH TO GO TO SHAKE PEER
PLAYS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS,
AND YOU WERE EXPOSED TO THEM.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO LOVE IT.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
IT, BUT YOU KNEW THAT IT WAS OUT
THERE, AND IF YOU LOOKED AT YOUR
TEACHERS AND YOUR PARENTS' EYES
AND SAW THE JOY THEY WERE
HAVING, THAT WAS ONE THING.
NOW WE'RE NOT GIVING CHILDREN
THAT EDUCATION ANYMORE, AND IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO LEARN
HOW THE PHYSICAL BODY WORKS
OTHER THAN SPORTS AND IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO LEARN IN
SPORTS, TOO, WHICH IS WHY WE
HAVE ALL THESE OVERWEIGHT KIDS
NOW.
THEY ARE NOT DOING SPORTS
ANYMORE.
THEY ARE SITTING DOWN WITH GAME
BOYS AND PALM PILOTS AND GETTING
FAT AT A TENDER AGE, SO IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT FOR KIDS TO GET
DANCE EDUCATION, EVEN IF THEY
NEVER BECOME DANCERS, BUT THEY
UNDERSTAND IT, AND THEY
UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTIES
INHERENT IN THE ART FORM.
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AND YOU SEE, I BELIEVE WHETHER
YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, IT IS GOOD
IF YOU ARE EXPOSED TO IT, AND
THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE CHILD MORE
MATURE AND DECIDE IF THEY REALLY
LOVE THIS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT
THIS, I CAN'T STAND THAT,
WHATEVER.
WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THOSE
CHOICES ANYMORE.

>> GARTH FAGAN TALKING WITH
KEVIN INDOVINO.
OTHER PORTIONS OF FAGAN'S
INTERVIEW CAN BE FOUND ON OUR
WEBSITE, AT WXXI.ORG, CLICK ON
NEWS AND FIND THE PUBLIC
NEWSROOM.
FAGAN'S INTERVIEWS CAN BE FOUND
IN THE NEED TO KNOW AUDIO
SECTION THERE.
^NOW, HERE IS THE BUSINESS
SECTION WITH THE DEMOCRAT AND
CHRONICLE.
JOINING US IN STUDIO IS BEN
RAND, A BUSINESS REPORT FORETHE
DEMOCRAT AN CHRONICLE AND HE
COVERS KODAK, KEEPING HIS EYE ON
BUSINESS TRENDS AS WELL.
HI, BEN, NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> HI.

>> LET'S START OUT WITH KODAK.
WE HAVE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT
THEIR TRANSITION TO THE DIGITAL
WORLD, THE PRODUCTS, THE
SERVICES BUT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT
THE END PRODUCT, THE PICTURE
THAT YOU BRING HOME, BUT THE
COMPANY WILL WITH THAT NEXT
WEEK, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.
THERE IS THE ANNUAL CONVENTION
AND MANY OF THE COMPANIES ARE
GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE
EXPERIENCE AT RETAIL, BECAUSE
THERE IS THIS BIG SHIFT.
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PICTURES WERE PRINTED AT THE
HOME ON HP PRINTERS T IS DOWN TO
40 NOW AND RETAIL SOMETHING
STARTING TO TAKE OVER AS THE
MAJOR VENUE FOR THAT, SO KODAK
AND OTHER COMPANIES ARE
TRAUMATICKING ABOUT NEW PRODUCTS
AND SERVICES THAT WILL SORT OF
CHANGE THE WAY YOU GET YOUR
PICTURES BACK, WHERE YOU USED TO
DROP OFF THAT ROLE OF FILM.

>> YOU USED TO DROP OFF THAT
ROLL OF FILM AND THEN YOU HAD
THAT AHHH MOMENT WHEN YOU WENT
TO PICK THEM UP AN HOUR LATER OR
THE NEXT DAY OR THE NEXT DAY,
BUT THEY HAVE TO RETHINK THE
WHOLE PROCESS FOR THE CONSUMER,
DON'T THEY?

>> RIGHT.
IT IS MORE ABOUT A CUSTOMIZED
PROCESS.
YOU PUT YOUR MEMORY CARD IN THE
SLOT AND CALL UP YOUR PICTURES
ON THE ORDER STATION IN THE
STORE, AND YOU CAN CHOOSE THE
PICTURES THAT YOU LIKE THE BEST
AND MAKE CHANGES AND ADJUST
COLORS AND CHOOSE DIFFERENT
SIZES, AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO
COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT WILL
LET YOU DO THAT AND GET YOUR
PICTURES BACK MORE QUICKLY.
>> IS IT DIFFICULT, THOUGH, FOR
THE CONSUMER?
ARE THEY FINDING THAT IT WORKS
FOR THE CONSUMER?
YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE ODD
MOMENT UNTIL YOU PUT IN SOME
TIME AT THE KIOSK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THEY'RE
ADDRESSING?

>> TO A DEGREE.
THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET WHAT
YOU WANT THE WAY YOU WANT IT,
KIND OF LIKE THE PERFECT
 CAMPAIGN, RIGHT, IS KIND OF WHAT 17
OFFSETS THAT.

>> THERE ARE UNIQUE THINGS GOING
ON IN THE WAY THEY ARE SETTING
UP THE STORES.
YOU CAN WALK OUT WITH MORE THAN
JUST THE PICTURE.

>> RIGHT.
THE PHOTO MARKETING ASSOCIATION
IS ACTUALLY PRESENTING A CONCEPT
STORE OF THE FUTURE THAT WILL BE
ORGANIZED NOT SO MUCH AROUND
CAMERAS AND FILMS, BUT AROUND
THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR
PICTURES, WAYS YOU CAN IMPROVE
OUR PICTURE-TAKING TALENT, WAYS
YOU CAN STORE YOUR MEMORIES, AND
THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS LOCALLY,
TOO.
SCOTT'S PHOTO IS TRYING TO MAKE
IT MORE OF A HOMEY FEEL.
YOU SIT ON STOOLS, THEY WILL
SERVE YOU COFFEE, SO IT'S KIND
OF, YOU KNOW, ALMOST STARBUCKS
AND PHOTOS COMING TOGETHER.

>> UNDERSTAND YOU CAN WALK OUT
WITH MORE THAN JUST A PICTURE.
YOU CAN WALK OUT WITH A
SCRAPBOOK, YOU CAN WALK OUT WITH
A STORYBOOK.
>> SURE, IN THE FUTURE.
YOU USED TO WALK OUT WITH AN
ENVELOPE OF FOUR BY SIX PRINTS
BUT IN THE FUTURE YOU MAY WALK
OUT WITH A BOOK.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT -- WE HAVEN'T
TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ALL, BUT
ROW PHOTOS, A REAL BIG
PHOTOGRAPHY UNIT HERE.
ARE THREE DOING ANYTHING
DIFFERENTLY HERE THESE DAYS?

>> THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT AWAY
FROM THE PHOTO BUSINESS.
THEY ARE FOCUSING ON HIGH END
THEATER AND STEREO SYSTEMS.
 THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE GOTTEN 18
THEIR GROWTH.
THEY HAVE OPENED A STORE OUT IN
THE WEST.
THAT IS A GOOD SUCCESS COMPANY.
THAT IS A 100-YEAR-OLD COMPANY.

>> SPEAKING. GROWTH, WE HAVE
HEARD A FEW THINGS, ONE FROM
EILEEN MILL DENBERGER SAYS
THINGS ARE LOOKING UP IN NEW
YORK^ WE HAVE SEEN FEDERAL
NUMBERS COMING OUT SHOWING
EXPANSION FROM JOB GROWTH BUT
SOME LAWMAKERS, PARTICULARLY
WEST OF ALBANY RAILROADS UPSET
ABOUT THESE COMMENTS, AREN'T
THEY?

>> JOE MORELLE, THE DEMOCRAT IN
THE ASSEMBLY, SAID THAT SHE WAS
MAYBE DELL LEWDED THAT UPSTATE
NEW YORK HAS THE CHANCE OF
LOOKING LIKE APPALACIA.

>> THAT'S PRETTY DRASTIC.
>> WELL, IT IS, AND THERE ARE
OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO
GIVE SORT OF A REALITY CHECK TO
THE AREA.
SANDY PARKER HAS BEEN OUT ON
BEHALF OF THE ROCHESTER BUSINESS
ALLIANCE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA
FOR REFORM THAT IS PREDICATED ON
THE NOTION THAT THINGS ARE
STAGNANT.

>> THEY DON'T WANT TO BE DROWNED
OUT ON THE ROSY NUMBERS.

>> THE ACTUAL JOBS ARE STAGNANT,
THE POPULATION IS STAGNANT.
>> THANKS, BEN.
THE BUSINESS SECTION CAN BE HAD
ON DEMAND WHEN YOU WANT T AUDIO
PODCASTS OF THIS AND PAST
BUSINESS SECTION DISCUSSIONS ARE
AVAILABLE AT
DEMOCRATANDCHRONICLE.COM.
JUST FIND IT ON THEIR^ PODCAST
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>> THAT'S OUR REPORT.
NEXT WEEK, A SERIES OF
GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE
INTERVIEWS CONTINUES WITH FORMER
ASSEMBLY MINORITY LEADER JOHN
FASO.
SEE YOU THEN.

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GO TO ROCHESTER ON DEMAND
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PROGRAMS.